HOUSE AUTOMOTIVE
EXCLUSIVELY PORSCHE®

Personalized Service with Genuine Care

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WHO WE ARE

At HOUSE Automotive, we aim to provide a comfortable, efficient, and simple experience for our customers. We offer complimentary pick-up and drop-off flatbed services, as well as complimentary rental cars and shuttle services. Our state-of-the-art facilities in Encino, Pasadena, and Thousand Oaks, staffed by independently certified Porsche service technicians, are dedicated to providing the special care and attention your Porsche deserves. We work diligently yet efficiently to keep your Porsche in optimal condition.

OUR PHILOSOPHY

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WHAT TO EXPECT

We offer more than just repairs and maintenance for your Porsche. Our goal is to provide a complete experience, ensuring customer satisfaction and the longevity of your vehicle. Our passionate, expert staff and certified mechanics are dedicated to offering the best technical services, advice, and next steps for your Porsche. We are committed to providing fair and transparent pricing, offering more cost-effective services compared to dealerships while safeguarding your factory warranty.

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SERVICES

From extensive repairs to simple routine maintenance, our team of experienced professionals provide services for all of your automotive needs. Porsche repair and maintenance requires specific tools, such as the Porsche Integrated Workshop Information System, or PIWIS. Our independent Porsche service specialists are dedicated to ensuring the optimal performance of your vehicle. Trust our expert independent Porsche service center to provide the dedicated attention you and your Porsche deserve.

LOCATIONS

We pride ourselves on providing reliable and efficient services that exceed our customers’ expectations. With three conveniently located service centers, we ensure that our valued customers have access to our expertise at their convenience.

House Automotive
17554 Ventura Blvd
Encino, CA 91316

(818) 849-5060

M – F | 8AM – 5PM

House Automotive
1567 E Walnut St
Pasadena, CA 91106

(626) 765-9111

M – F | 8AM – 6PM
SAT | 9AM – 2PM (By Appt. Only)

House Automotive
3043 E Thousand Oaks Blvd A
Thousand Oaks, CA 91362

(805) 929-1900

M – F | 8AM – 5PM

FROM THE COMMUNITY

Excellent
5.0
ATG Treasury
We met Christian and Aaron on the search for a 2 year service for our 2022 Porsche Cayenne. We are very happy with their work and care for our car and therefore can only recommend them highly for anyone who loves their well built Porsche as well! Great shop and we will return.
Demiana Marie
Excellent service. Prompt communication, extremely polite, and professional. They went above and beyond to diagnose, fix and alert me about every potential issue or concern. Super pleased and will be coming back.
Mason DeLalla
They were able to fix the broken radiator on my Cayman extremely quickly and get the car back on the road. Professional and responsive.
Jason Moon
I cannot express how professional and great the service is at House. If you have a Porsche, this is the place to go. Andy has always made me feel confident of not only his knowledge on all subject matters, but offering the best advice as if he were in my situation and owned the car himself.He also communicates very well and provides realistic timelines with follow ups when your car is being serviced. There is no other shop like this and I can assure you that you, your car, and your wallet is all in good hands.
Brandon Tom
Very professional crew and service. They took care of my vehicle as if it were their own. Gave me recommendations on work that needed to be done and others that were not imperative but could be monitored. They give me as a customer confidence knowing they have a wealth of knowledge dealing with Porsches. I will return for the next service.
Ken Jen
I recently visited House Automotive Pasadena and was helped by Scott. He was really friendly and professional. Scott knew a lot about the services they offer and patiently answered all my questions.I highly recommend House Automotive Pasadena, especially with Scott’s excellent service. I’ll definitely be coming back for all my automotive needs.
Kyoko Yamashita
The team at House are friendly, professional and thorough with their communication, status updates. Thanks Karina and everyone for the service and assistance!
Ryan Kircher
The guys at house are the best. Was recommended from the owner of grid partners Rob, they do all the work on his gt3. Gave me a great in depth review of what was going on underneath my car and it was a lot more clear and informative than the dealer!
Martin Holford
Andy was very helpful, knowledgeable and gave good advice on a number of items relating to my 2006 911S
Mark Kaufman
House Automotive is the best place to bring your Porsche! Karina is great to deal with, always attentive and responsive.
Donald Wilson
I have been having superb service at House for the past year or so. I had a previous service connection corrected and was extremely satisfied with the service AND the communication regarding the symptoms and solution. The technician was so thorough in his explanation that all my slight worries were eliminated. I next had some accessories installed ( screens over the radiator intakes. The job was completed on time and again I felt very confident of the solution to the desired end results. Today's service - an routine oil/filter/inspection again, was performed with excellence, a lab oil sample was drawn, and the communication of the results of the inspection was excellent resolving all of my obsessive little fears. Thanks to the staff at House Automotive. I will continue to trust them with my Porsche' s needs and especially diagnostic expertise. A big thank you !!
Johnny Chavez
Karina was amazing, great customer service, great communication.
Dro Boudaghian
Quick turnaround time on a tight schedule. Thank you Karina, Ralph, and Aaron for your great customer service will be seeing you again.
Adam Beach
I took my 991.2 GTS to House and was extremely impressed with the way they handled everything from start to finish. The customer expensive was 5* and the car came back pristine with everything completed perfectly!I will be coming here for all everything Porsche moving forward.Thanks so much Karina for making it so easy!
BRYAN CRAIG
Honestly every single person at the shop is so nice , welcoming and helpful. They also have gotten me in last minute anytime it was important and got the car finished very quickly . Fantastic shop and well respected in the car community. 12/10
Ciara Tuzon
Jasiel and his team at HOUSE did an excellent job on my Porsche Cayenne. I had a nightmare on my hands with a dead battery and they were very knowledgeable, super attentive to detail, and offered me a fair and reasonable price. They also provided me with a rental car. My car was serviced quickly and efficiently and I highly recommend them to fellow Porsche owners. I came back a few months later for an oil change and also had the same superb experience and customer service. Very satisfied customer, thank you!
Hailey Myung
Always have a great experience working with Andy! Highly recommend everyone come here for all their Porsche needs.
Diego Ibarra
Great service -as always. Highly recommended
jason yoo
Been coming to House Auto since 2020 for minor and major services on 981cayman . Great communication and eager to help& explain with an attention to detail from Andy and the pasadena team.
Maria Cassidy
Scott my service advisor was welcoming as I drove into the shop and helped me to get the services I needed for my Carrera S and recommended future services to be considered. I would highly recommend House Porsche for all your Porsche needs.
A P
Ralph was a great help! Great service! A+++++
Isaac Child
Ralph was great at answering all and any questions I had, he was very patient and friendly making my over experience worth it
Micah Roland
House has been taking care of my vehicle for a couple years now and have always done an excellent job, with transparency, and top notch customer service. Highly recommended.
Steve Ferqueron
From the free flatbed to the reasonable pricing, quality service and quick check out, I highly recommend this very professional establishment with knowledgeable, helpful staff. Scott was a commensurate professional.
ExtraLars XL
I had my older Boxster S at the shop.House did a great job with the diagnosis which was not straight forward, and the repair of the problem. Customer service, especially the communication and the quality work were excellent. I’ll go back and would recommend the place to others.
Richard Uzelac
Like most Porsche owners, we care deeply for our cars. A fellow enthusiast recommended House Automotive to me and I have been very happy with them! The guys are responsive and approachable. You can tell they are playing the long game with their customers: They are committed to great service at reasonable prices. Some shops are in it for whatever money they can get out of their customers, not House Automotive. They are interested in creating lasting relationships based on honesty, courtesy and prompt, professional work. I highly recommend all Porsche owners to visit House the next time their car needs servicing.
Alex Siu
fast, professional, reasonably priced
Rudy Tellez
Took my 2006 911 Carrera S to modify the stance, I have dealt with Andy before and once again his professionalism and knowledge gave me the confidence to know that my car was in good hands. Andy provided his understanding of my vehicle and suggested the best course of action. I could not be more satisfied with the end result. In addition Andy was able to accommodate and applied discount on the price.This will definitely be my go to establishment for all my Porsche needs, everyone there is polite , courteous and professional.Thank you AndyVery professional, Andy is courteous and treated my concerns with excellent service and recommendations, I truly recommend this place for your Porsche needs.
Mary Randolph
Great friendly service! They got me in and out in a timely manner for a battery change. Would highly recommend House Automotive. I will go there again soon!
Kevin Yu
Phenomenal independent Porsche mechanic! I've brought my car in multiple times and the service advisors are knowledgable, helpful, and friendly. The few times my car has had an urgent issue, they were quick to diagnose and then schedule me in for the repair. Would recommend!!!
Frank Reynaga
My first visit to house auto service in Pasadena I looked around nice and clean the service is 6 star front desk and auto tec
First Last
What a great experience. I usually take my cars to the dealership for maintenance and service but after my amazing experience at HOUSE Automotive, I do not see a reason why I would go to the dealership and pay more for the same service. These guys are very knowledgeable and know what they’re doing. My service advisor, Ralph, answered all of my questions and helped me understand my car better for any future service and proper maintenance. He was very professional and knowledgeable about Porsches and made me feel confident that I’ve brought my car to the right place! Will definitely recommend to friends and family.
Ryan
First class experience! The entire staff was polite, welcoming and accommodating. Most importantly my vehicle was well taken care of and returned to me in a timely manner
Bruce Bigelow
Great service on my Cayenne Diesel from Andy Reyes and the Pasadena House team!
Casey Davis
House Automotive provides a dealer level service experience with independent shop prices. Karina, John, Aaron and the rest of the crew always go above and beyond to make sure that my car is well taken care of. They are the only shop that touches my car.
charles harris (The Real Everyday People)
Where do I start, Well first I have brought my 2017 porsche macan turbo to 3 different shops to get fixed. Little Context I recently bought this car and it was doing just well til my temp gauge started acting up then shortly my water pump was no longer working got that fixed. Shortly my serpentine belt ripped due to a snaped tension bolt now i'm completely hating this decision of purchasing this car. So fast forward i've called around with this issue got lucky to speak with John towed the car to get it inspected I relayed the issue told him everything that has happened. Shortly after a quick turn around say about 5 days the broken bolt that was stuck in the block was extracted!!SHOUT OUT TO THE TECH who worked to get it out appreciate you and also brought the car back to factory setting coming to found out that it had a bad tune from the previous owner which was throwing a lot of codes they fixed that issue and on top of all this John and the whole HOUSE AUTOMOTIVE GROUP, gave me a deal of a life time to fix all these issues ( broken bolt into the block, Shredded serpentine belt, bad tune on the motor, pdk transmission service, and a bad boost boot.) lets say I walked out of there with my wallet in tact!!!! they truly took care of me and was the best decision I made to take it in there! Truly Thank you john, Mark (tech) And all of the house automotive group for giving exceptional customer service quality craftsmanship and problem solving solutions. Highly Recommend this shop as being in the service industry these are the standards we all deserve thanks again! see you at 100k service!
Tim Yu
"House Automotive and their team provided excellent customer service! From start to finish, they were professional, knowledgeable, and went above and beyond to ensure our automotive needs were met. The quality of their workmanship and attention to detail was top-notch. I highly recommend House Automotive for all your automotive needs!"
Darcy Kaye
I’ve always had a great experience at House Automotive. They are conscientious, thorough, knowledgeable and always go above and beyond for their clients. I couldn’t recommend them enough. Most sincerely.
A D
I love HOUSE automotive. They take great care of my car, are communicative, friendly, and professional. Great place to bring your Porsche if you want top notch service. And I love working with Karina. Thanks guys!!
Christine Fuehr
Very detailed and thorough! From the check in process, (so much easier and pleasant than at any dealer I’ve been to), to their diagnosis. They took their time at very reasonable prices. Highly recommend. We drive way out of our way just to go there. They are that good.
Lorenzo de Guia
I have been going to these guys for a few years now. They've taken care of my 997 and I can't say enough about the guys over at House in Pasadena. Andy has always been great and has gotten out of a few binds (clutch went out, battery went out, etc) and they always have gone above and beyond to help me out. Most recently, Andy and Ralph helped me get sorted when my car wouldn't start and even offered to help anyway they can. I would 100% recommend this shop for your Porsche needs. They've been great for me.
MTA Sales
Aaron and the whole team at house automotive went way above and beyond thr call of duty to help with an issue I am having on car. Very helpful and customer service is clearly their top priority!!!..very impressed!!
Thomas Frew
Very knowledgeable team. They provided my PCA pre inspection and gave some very valuable advice for my Cayman S.
Tom Nozawa
I’ve been going to House automotive for several years now and they never disappoint. Great quality work, good communication, quick service, and reasonable prices. Andy at the Pasadena location is personable and pleasure to work with. I’d happily recommend House automotive to anyone who needs Porsche service in LA.
Donald Boyd
Excellent service. All service management and mechanics give excellent service. Ken is a exceptional,caring honest mechanic.
Eric Ta
Greg and his team are knowledgeable and friendly on all things Porsche. Met with John after I scheduled my appointment for my ‘19 718. By far the best value and quality service compared to dealerships. Had my 4th year service done with spark plugs and brake fluid flush. They also educated me on my battery versus trying to upsell me. Much appreciated and will continue servicing with HOUSE.
Kevin Li
Very good service. Had Saturday appointment and was able to get the major car maintenance done within the same day. Arrived a little late after they close at 2 pm and they were very patient and courteous.
Tony Chan
Ralph was my Rep.Super nice and easy to talk to, he make sure to give me a call regularly to update me on my vehicle.Shout out to Greg for making it an easy and smooth process for me.Highly recommend for anyone that owns a Porsche.
3D Thriller
I took my GT4 over to House today and it was an absolute pleasure working with Ralph and everyone!! All the staff were very friendly and welcoming. Ralph kept me updated on the status of my car and the entire process just went very smooth. The service prices are very reasonable (a fraction of what the dealer charges) and I would highly recommend bringing your car to them for any service needs!!
Alex Krikorian
Great experience. Andy was super helpful and explained everything to me that was being done to my car and what is needed in the future.
Matthew Chevlen
Quality of work is excellent but it's the human touch that keeps me coming back. I've had a bunch of work done here in the past year and Andy always makes sure I leave satisfied. 5 stars.
Rachel Friedman
Andy is an excellent service adviser. He communicates well and gives a longterm outlook on what maintenance to expect in the near future. He also helped me acquire an extended warranty through Porsche so I appreciate his knowledge and assistance.
louie-andrew hernandez
Would definitely recommend their facilities and services. They work on one make, and that's Porsche. If you want better than dealership prices and service. House Automotive is a must stop. Everyone there is extremely knowledgeable and committed to providing you the best service possible. They have so many options to help get your vehicle back on the road. And they warranty their work for a flawless and smooth customer care environment. Do yourself a favor and visit "House".
Aaron Logan
I’m grateful to have found House Automotive. I used to live by their location in Pasadena but since moved almost 20 miles away. I still drive my car out there because they’re one of the few I trust. You can be rest, assured you’ll receive extraordinary service with the House automotive group. I highly recommend this business and all of the professionals at work there.
Frank Guo
Best experience I have ever had, Andy is so kind and specialized, here you are being treated like family, he cares a lot about what you think and will try to make you satisfied.
Sean Harley
These guys appreciate Porsche owners who have a relationship with their vehicles. I it's more than just a repair. Thanks for being stand up guys.
Danny Nernberg
Last week House Automotive installed a new exhaust for my 2019 911 Turbo S. Steven and the technicians were patient and very helpful.
T Chen
Andy at House Automotive was always helpful, candid, and professional. My car had a multitude of issues that were difficult to diagnose. They troubleshot methodically, kept me updated, and thoroughly explained every step. Their honesty is much appreciated. Speaking to Andy, Ralph, and John was very helpful. They are very knowledgeable. The technicians were also very helpful. They got my 99 Boxster running again!
Melody Gougerchian
I have brought my Macan S to House multiple times, they do wonderful work at a fair price. They also treat me very well in store and even have treats for my dog. On both inspections they made note of a tear on my forward and rear control arms. House encouraged me to take my vehicle to Porsche so they could fix it under warranty. Lo and behold, I mention the tears to my service advisor in advance of my 40K service. After inspection, they assured me that the control arm bushels were fine. Frustrated and confused, I called House for advice. Karina encouraged me to ask for a photo or video of the control arms because they are visible to the naked eye (which I never would have known). Had I not asked for videos per Karina's advice, I would have likely been SOL and driving an unsafe car that would cost me down the line. This speaks to the honesty and integrity of this team, I will bring my car to House for years to come as I know they are honest and put their customers needs and safety above all else. THANK YOU HOUSE!!!
Carl Clines
2022I took my 2019 Turbo S there for a tune-up, up-grade. Everything about the experience was great, my only problem was navigating the phone system between Pasadena and Encino stores.
Steven Alexander
Had a fantastic experience here in House Automotive. Andy was my service consultant, and he was friendly and had great communication about how my car was. Also supplied an Uber back home after each visit. 10/10 would recommend to a friend.Went again for my yearly oil change. Ralph was my service guy; it was a very good and problem-free experience.
Kevin Sullivan
I recently took my Porsche Cayman S to House Automotive in Encino to have my PDK transmission diagnosed and repaired. I was very happy with the service. In particular, I would like to give a shout out to Karina Enriquez, Client Relations Manager. Karina greeted me with a warm and friendly smile and took detailed notes as I explained the nature of the issues I was having with my PDK. She then introduced me to Albert Janjaroen, Director, who took the time to ask about the car’s service history and discussed diagnosing the PDK and possible outcomes. Karina explained how she would keep me in the loop by giving me status reports. Given the nature of the PDK work, my car was in the shop for several days. Karina was great at keeping the lines of communication open during the entire process and, as promised, gave me progress reports at the close of business every day. I really appreciated that. I have worked with other repair shops where I have had to chase them down to get updates. That is not the case here. Karina provides stellar customer service. She is cheerful, knowledgeable and reliable. Albert was a pleasure to work with as well. Whenever I had a technical question, I was able to talk to Albert directly. They have earned my business. House Automotive is now my go to independent Porsche shop. I highly recommend them!
Michael Kotzen
Very attentive and transparent with the parts and service
Brian Truong
Came in for a tech inspection for a track event. Staff were very knowledgeable and courteous.
Kenneth Yoon
Ralph was very helpful and took care of all of my needs.
Issa Azat
I have been taking my vehicle to House for the last few years and would absolutely recommend their services. Always honest and reliable at a fair price. Never trying to push services unless absolutely necessary, and always easy to get in and out the same day.
Brockman Greene
Always a pleasure working with them. The work is always great and planning maintenance is a breeze. Thanks House!
A K
HOUSE continues to impress me! Very responsive and incredibly thorough work by Aaron and the technicians. This is not your average indy shop, it sets a whole new standard of automotive repair. Would recommend anyone that has a passion for Porsche to go to HOUSE.
Rob Watrman2020
I have always serviced my vehicle at House, since new. Karina handled all of the service arrangements this time. She was highly professional and efficient.
Saurabh Kotkar
Got my tires replaced on my Cayman and had a great experience right from ordering, scheduling an appointment and installation of the tires at their Encino facility. Their staff is very attentive and friendly.
Jimmy Jimi
Great professional place, don't need take it to anyone else in area if have a Porsche or SUV.
Todd Early
This is the best independent Porsche shop in the Valley. I brought my 930 in today for a seat motor that was malfunctioning, and they fixed it while I waited. This is the kind of shop that gives you dealer level service without the incredibly high dealer price.
Regal Senior
House Automotive is knowledgeable, professional, courteous and efficient concerning the Porsche service needs. The value of the service provided cannot be matched! When comparing cost of service versus level of service received, House Automotive cannot be matched! I strongly recommend House Automotive to family and friends and to all Porsche owners whose vehicle is no longer under manufacturer’s warranty. As House Automotive provides professional, excellent, reliable service that cannot be matched.
Alexandre Péron
Definition of great service
Fire Fire
Steven at House is what every service advisor should be. Made me feel welcome and offered me various options for my Porsche 911 T-S. I would definitely recommend House Auto and absolutely recommend Steven.
Mg
I met Christian the mechanic, he seemed very interested and knowledgeable. I think I would be willing to give this place a try. I liked the garage setup. T.O. location.
Christian Spence
Always great service, Fair price. Friendly helpful service advisors. Highly recommend. This is the experience the Dealerships should aspire to.
Taylor Ferraro
I have been bringing my Porsche here for 4 years and it has always been a great experience.
Craig Tilson
Karina at House Automotive was very helpful. The mechanics there do a great job on my old 911. The price for service at House was about half the cost that a Porsche dealer quoted.
Gary Esguerra
I had a great experience dealing with John the rep that greeted me at House Automotive. He explained everything clearly of the service that would be performed and the pricing, which was a little bit cheaper than that at the dealership. He also let me know what other things that I will be needing to be done for my car , but didn't push to hard to sell it and let me decide if and when I wanted to do it. Very pleasant to deal with.
Todd Freshman
I had an exceptional experience at House Automotive in Thousand Oaks! From the moment I walked in, the staff was incredibly friendly and attentive. They provided top-notch service for my car, addressing all the issues with precision and efficiency. The team's expertise was evident, and they went the extra mile to ensure my vehicle was running perfectly before I left. I greatly appreciate their professionalism and dedication to customer satisfaction.I'll definitely be returning for any future automotive needs!
Amza Moglan
Love House Auto, it’s my go to for anything Porsche! Greg, John, Aaron and all the techs are very knowledgeable and honest, always a pleasure dealing with them.
Maria Paveloff
Everyone is friendly, helpful and professional. They explain what my car needs clearly. They paid for a 24 hr loaner from a rental company. They fixed my car and is driving nicely. I highly recommend them.
Marshall Garlington
House has been fantastic servicing my Porsches! Friendly, knowledgeable and and quick to get back to me when I need service. I’ve always felt fairly treated and well informed about the work being done. Highly recommend.
AJ Brandenstein
First class service! Better than any Porsche dealer. Steven provided in depth explanation before and after my car was serviced. Great team and I’d recommend House Automotive to anyone and everyone who loves their Porsche.
Oscar Feria
I had an itch to bring out a more aggressive exhaust note from my 958 Cayenne GTS. So I called Greg at HOUSE Automotive for advice, his suggestion kept my truck emissions legal and opened such an aggressive exhaust note when I hit my exhaust button.The work was quick (about 2 hours) and extremely reasonable.If you’re a Porsche owner and your vehicle is out of factory warranty, without any hesitation take it to HOUSE…they’re truly the best alternative Indy Shop that specializes on Porsche vehicles only!Thank you!!!
D Filice
For any Porsche owner whose car needs repair, finding a trustworthy proper Porsche repair shop is a difficult task. House Automotive solves that problem. House Automotive is an efficient, totally Porsche repair shop that does repairs in the Porsche way…correctly.
Christina Ross
HOUSE Automotive is the only place I bring my Porsche. They’re incredibly knowledgeable and have a “client 1st” mentality. We worked with Karina and she could not have been more helpful. I highly recommend House Automotive.
Roei Amsterdamer
True professionals, Porsche experts
Ann Marie McMahon
I can’t imagine why anyone would go to a dealership when there is this option for your Porsche. Appointments are easily scheduled online or by phone and the staff couldn’t be more pleasant and helpful. They don’t try to upsell and thoroughly explain any recommendations for future service. Their pricing is much more reasonable than the dealerships.
Farzad Yassini
Karina and John were very professional and their service was exceptional. Thank you for everything.
Rob Baron
These guys know Porsches. I took my car to a local Porsche dealer for some work, and their communication was horrible. You won't have that problem at House Automotive. They will give you an honest assessment of some things that can (and will) go wrong with your car over time, because they have seen it all. If you talk to the folks at House about Porsches for 5 minutes, you will know they are the real deal.
Steve Wang
this is a great shop and John from House Automotive is awesome! a good friend recommended this place for a PPI of a GT3. This was my first PPI and John guided me through this nervous journey. I've never had a shop that is so communicative and accommodating, and the inspection was the most thorough and everything was precisely and concisely documented. This is totally a place that I can trust to service my cars at!
Rick Goodin
Thanks to John and House Automotive Independent, he saved us over $16,000.00 in repair bills! I would highly recommend House Automotive for all your Porsche needs!Thank you John!
Luke Veselic
Went in for my major service and few other items on the Carrera T, great location and so happy House Automotive has expanded into the Ventura County area. My service advisor Karina is fantastic, very knowledgeable and detail oriented. House Automotive has been instrumental in keeping my cars in peak performance condition. For any Porsche service and upgrade needs, definitely make house automotive your first choice. Great staff and expertise.
Jeffrey Kelly
Excellent service from John! This was my first visit to House Auto. The job to address cylinder failure code error on my 2011 Panamera was $1000 less than the quote from my old mechanic for the exact same repair!Work was performed in 1 day, car was washed beautifully and a list of other preventative maintenance was provided.This is a great shop I will return for sure
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